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Postby Reg » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:07 am

Here's the ship photographed from space. Those saying it was 300 meters offshore should look at this. To put it into scale, the ship itself is about 300m long.

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Re: thousands flee cruise ship near Italy ..

Postby Ray » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:11 am

It's a tragic situation but I will say, at least it happened close to shore, rather than way out in the middle of the ocean. More lives would have been lost if it where out farther.
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Re: thousands flee cruise ship near Italy ..

Postby Reg » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:25 am

Well, that's a catch-22. If it had been further offshore, it wouldn't have happened at all. Those reefs don't occur in open ocean.
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Re: thousands flee cruise ship near Italy ..

Postby Ray » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:31 am

I never read the story on what caused it other than the captain not doing his job. I take back my comment. Hahaha.
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Re: thousands flee cruise ship near Italy ..

Postby Gunda » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:40 am

Reggie wrote: Here's the ship photographed from space. Those saying it was 300 meters offshore should look at this. To put it into scale, the ship itself is about 300m long.

Schettino made a U-turn after the collision happened 300 meter off Giglio.

And if it's true what Schettino said, then it's not just his guilt. According to Schettino, he had order from his company, to pass Giglio very close and to give signal, because the company wanted to draw attention to their shipline and services with this practice. It was part of their advertisement policy. I heard a German journalist who lived on Giglio for a few years, confirming that those cruislines often made signals and passed close on Giglio.
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Re: thousands flee cruise ship near Italy ..

Postby Reg » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:58 pm

I read that his latest story is that he slipped on deck and fell into a life boat. Amazing that he fell into the same boat that his second in command fell into. Damn slippery decks.

His stories do not seem credible to me so far, but as with all things, it is best to let the facts emerge. I will try to resist rushing to judgment.
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Re: thousands flee cruise ship near Italy ..

Postby Reg » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:16 pm

First hand account from Mario Pellegrini, deputy mayor of Giglio. From BBC:

    As the Costa Concordia was sinking, the deputy mayor of the Tuscan island of Giglio, Mario Pellegrini, went on board to join the rescue effort. He told Outlook on the BBC World Service how he reacted when he realised the ship was in trouble.

    "I met the mayor and immediately we devised a plan to co-ordinate the evacuation of the people, so I decided to go on a tender and to go on board. My first duty was to look for an officer on the boat in order to co-ordinate the evacuation.

    I took the first tender that arrived at the port with the first evacuated passengers. I took this tender all by myself and went on board. I went up and I started looking for an officer.

    After 20 minutes I couldn't find anybody. I even went on the higher bridges of the ship and even then I couldn't see anybody.

    So I decided to go down again to co-ordinate people and put them in dinghies in order to go on land. At the time the ship was not listing so it wasn't difficult.

    There were a lot of people who wanted to help but there was no-one guiding them; there was nobody was directing anything.

    There was goodwill by many people but many didn't even speak English, so it was difficult.
    People fighting

    At the beginning there wasn't much panic, just a lot of confusion. People didn't know what to do but there was no real fear.

    Then I went on the right-hand side of the ship and it started tilting towards the sea. Big parts of the ship were going underwater - then panic erupted, people really were scared.

    When the boat started listing, all the corridors filled with water. They were like wells and there was a lot of people stuck in these wells.

    Using a rope, I started to pull people up. They were crying and were really scared.

    It was a purser of the ship who was helping me and we rescued about nine people. Some of them were quite old; some of them were children.

    People were fighting with each other in order to get on the rope to climb up. I can't condemn them because the situation was really bad. It was really dramatic.

    The doctor also helped me; he was very good and courageous. Then, on the bridge, I came across the only officer I could find. He was young, a second-class officer.

    He found a little stepladder to put on the side of the boat which people could climb down.

    We were together shoulder to shoulder until 05:30 in the morning. I have to say this young officer was wonderful.

    He hadn't been given any orders; he was just following his own orders.

    It was very difficult as there was some oil around, so climbing down the steps and on to the ladder was extremely slippery. For children and old people, it was especially difficult.

    This officer was very good but he was the only officer I met.

    Finger by finger

    While I was pulling people out of the upended corridor, one girl started shouting and pulling and we had to take her out by her feet.

    A lot of the old people attached themselves to anything they could find and they didn't want to let go so we had to go down and detach them finger by finger.

    There was one mother who was holding a baby. I said, 'Give me the child and I will put him on board the dinghy and then I will give you him back'. But the mother didn't want to, she was panicking and wouldn't let go of the baby. It was very difficult to get the baby from her.

    There were some good moments too. There was an old woman crying and I went over and hugged her and she was reassured.

    The last person we took out was an Asian girl who had a broken leg.

    I was afraid that the ship might go under while I was working on it.

    By the time I left the ship, I was literally exhausted. In the last moments, when the dinghy down at the sea was full of professional rescuers, I was on the part of the bridge where I had been for quite a long time, holding old people, babies and so on.

    Because I was so tired and wasn't concentrating, I fell down and nearly broke my neck.

    I never saw the captain; the only officer I saw was the young officer, a boy really. I didn't see anyone else."
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Re: thousands flee cruise ship near Italy ..

Postby Adam » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:18 pm

The captain slips and lands in a life boat headed toward shore... no injuries or anything. The deputy mayor slips after working to rescue people all through the night and nearly breaks his neck and somehow manages to end up still on deck.

Obviously the captain is just better at falling.
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Re: thousands flee cruise ship near Italy ..

Postby Reg » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:23 pm

Audio of Mario Pellegrini's interview. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00mwbld
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Re: thousands flee cruise ship near Italy ..

Postby KaptMorgan » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:38 pm

Just saw this today...
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